Thursday, 6 April 2006

Jock privilege

There’s been a lot of talk lately about the white, upper-class “preppy” origins of the Duke lacrosse athletes—heck, I’ve contributed somewhat to it myself—but I think there’s also an “athlete’s privilege.” People who excel at things can get away with things that the mediocre cannot—I know in my high school days I got away with a lot of stuff because I was smarter than the average student, and a similar (but magnified) privilege works for athletes. Allen Iverson would never have been allowed to set foot on Georgetown’s campus—they’d have called security on his ass, and rightly so given his criminal history—if he couldn’t dunk a basketball. Shelden Williams faced rape allegations before he came to Duke—you think he’d be here if he wasn’t an athlete? This phenomenon isn’t exclusive to athletes—Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and George Bush all got away with stuff because of political ties or family clout—but I dare say it’s more prevalent among athletes than anyone else.

Anyway, I found this related post in Google’s blog search and thought it was worth singling out.

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IS ATTEMPTING TO RUN OVER A COP, AFTER A CROSS-COUNTY HIGH SPEED CHASE, INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR?

Seems the accuser – the Darling of the Media – has larceny on her record and she tried to Run over a Police officer.

Those open-containers and underage drinking citations are looking pretty good right.

The players Said the woman arrived DRUNK or HIGH… Well, her 3 license suspensions certainly fit into that scenario.

The DA told reporters and, the N&O reported that she said she had never danced for a group before.

Turns out Mother Teresa has been stripping at strip clubs and at private parties for over 5 years under the name – [name redacted - ed].

http://www.wral.com/news/8513890/detail.html?rss=ral&psp=news
http://www.wral.com/news/8370290/detail.html

I wonder what all the journalists that pointed to underage drinking citations as examples of thugery will have to say about their new Hero.

All we’ve heard is that she’s a single mother working her way through college. Looks like she’s a stripper
working to feed her addiction. What will they say about her trying to run over a COP?
Single Mother, Stripper, Junkie, profiling?

The other stripper’s record is even worse.

And the other stripper drove to Kroger and asked a security guard to call 911 to get the woman out of her car when she had a Cell phone with her and a police station was less than a mile away. But the N&O has known all this for quite some time.

 
[Permalink] 2. Alfred Sumrall wrote @ Fri, 7 Apr 2006, 7:34 am CDT:

Allen Iverson can dunk?

 
[Permalink] 3. Scott wrote @ Fri, 7 Apr 2006, 9:13 am CDT:

Which did Clinton get from his modest upbringing, political ties or family clout? After his father died, his mother went back to school to become a nurse-anesthetist. This would have provided a solid middle class income had his stepfather not been a raging alcoholic who gambled away the family money. Your example is more accurate if you stick to the Roosevelts, Kennedys and Bushs.

You should also be careful about painting all student athletes with such a broad brush. The problems that you (quite rightly) cite are mainly focused (yes, with SOME exceptions) on high profile men’s programs at division one schools. That category represents the VAST minority of all student-athletes at all schools. Many student-athletes accept scholarships of a couple of hundred dollars just to qualify them for a waiver of out-of-state tuition so they can go somewhere for a quality education.

While we have had some embarrassments of our own (NOTHING like Duke’s), the greatest athletic scandals for several of our teams recently was when (gasp) their teams’ cumulative GPAs dropped below 3.3 for the first time…and the teams I’m thinking of are full of students with “real” majors (and you know what I’m talking about…)

Of course, that said, we all went to high school and know as sure as the sun rises in the east that there IS a jock mentality and privilege among a select group of student-athletes.

…what ever will you blog about when you move to St. Louis? (other than the murder rate….)

 

Scott: My recollection is that Clinton had some glowing letter from a senator (Proxmire?) when he was in college that got him out of his draft obligation—I’d have to go look it up. And, of course, when he was president he had “ACLU-supporter immunity” from all the sexual allegations against him that a Republican wouldn’t have had.

And, you’re right, we shouldn’t paint with a broad brush; some of my best students (in and outside the classroom) have been, and are, student-athletes.

As for SLU… well, I’ll see what I can stir up there :p

 

John, your attempt at a character assassination regarding the victim won’t work. Since the police collected DNA samples from the team members one could presume that they have some sort of DNA evidence to compare it against. Enough so that it could potentially be damning to at least one member of the team. At this point in time, DNA evidence is submittable in court as a proven technology so all the discrediting in the world won’t counter that aspect of the case.

Also, since we’re on the topic, you should know that providing too many facts against your target (when attempting character assassination) has the opposite effect of discrediting them. You have provided links that produce a clear history of the victim’s criminal past. By informing people with this information, you allow them to review it and draw their own conclusions—which has the effect of creating certainty (or near-certainty) about the person/subject.

Character assassinations only work when you create fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) in the minds of those with which you are communicating. Therefore; in order to perform an effective character assassination you generally need to spread meaningless non-reputable anecdotes such as, “I heard that she was well-known for promiscuity.” or “A friend of mine said that she makes up stories all the time.”

The problem with those kinds of statements is that they’ve been over-used in the political arena and the general public is starting to recognize their meaninglessness. Leading to distrust of the messenger more than anything else.

If indeed the facts stated in that WRAL story are true, what does a drunken joyride many years ago have to do with getting raped? Also, the fact that she has 5 years experience as an exotic dancer leads me to be MORE inclined to believe her. In 5 years of dancing she’s never been involved in an incident and she’s been using the money she earns as a stripper to pay for a college education. Hardly the earmark of an ex-con, drug-addicted attempted cop murderer who will stop at nothing to, er, accuse jocks of rape? After all, that is the portrait you’re going for, right? Because bringing criminal charges against these boys will certainly solve her problems!

As I read your post I wondered to myself why, instead of trying to bolster the reputation of the accused, the supporters of the accused are trying to attack and discredit the victim? Experience tells me that it is an indicator of a, shall we say, lack of positive character in the accused. I won’t extend my opinion to express why that is, but it sure doesn’t give me any reason to accept your take on the situation.

Lastly, I’d like to state that you should be more considerate when posting such voracious verbiage. It is so stuffed of malice and malcontent that it maligns your character and creates a vestige of villainy.

-Riskable
http://www.riskable.com
“I have a license to kill -9“t

 

Riskable: I’m not John, but the fact that she gave a taxi driver a lap dance, then stole his car and took it for a joyride, does suggest that at the very least she may have a dishonest streak.

Dishonest enough to claim she was raped when she wasn’t? I don’t know—I’d like to hope that nobody, no matter how depraved, would lie about that sort of crime, but I also know that there are people who will lie about anything.

As far as the DNA goes, who knows how dispositive it will be—our illustrious DA seems to waver in his confidence level on that point depending on whether or not he’s in front of a TV camera.

 

Chris… What do lap dances, joyrides, and taxi drivers have in common with dishonesty? Answer: Absolutely nothing. Her previous conviction has nothing to do with lying or making things up.

A bigger problem with bringing up her past is that it is the complete opposite of the situation at hand. She was a defendant in that case, not someone pressing charges. I’ve yet to see any evidence to suggest she has fabricated stories in the past.

-Riskable
http://riskable.com
“I have a license to kill -9”

 

I’d consider theft (which is what joyriding is) a form of dishonesty. I’d also consider her lack of candor in her interview with the News & Observer a form of dishonesty, although that might be attributable more to the N&O engaging in selective reporting (such as allowing the reader to reach the conclusion that she was new to the exotic entertainment industry) rather than her. Frankly, it raises credibility issues that weren’t present before.

Does it dispositively indicate whether or not she was raped? No. In fact, I said a few days ago (scroll down the front page) that I believed that she probably was raped by someone that evening, and I’m 100% sure some sort of sex took place (perhaps she was paid to do it and then later regretted it; perhaps she was raped). But if the DNA isn’t there, and the rape kit is a judgment call between rough consensual sex and sexual assault, and the whole timeline doesn’t add up, it certainly means that it’s going to be damn hard to prove in a court of law, especially once this gets change-of-venued to Asheville or Wilmington.

 
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